Dear All,
We read this line in an answer given by Swami, in the earlier post
It implies from the above lines that if your senses do not perceive any experience in this creation, then, to that extent, there is no creation for you.
This was explained in great details in post 24 and 25 in the theme "Creation of the Universe".
The same is being reproduced today for more clarity.
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Dear All,
Those few blessed souls who are able to reach up to Mandukya Karika and absorb the verses which are going to be given today, have nothing more to learn, nothing more to experience.
They indeed attain the state exactly explained in today’s verses. They are / were never born, never will they die and hence, the question of their rebirth does not arise at all.
Now, to the theory given by Sri Gauda pada.
- Sanskrit word जात means originate or create/born and अजात means no-origination or no-creation / unborn. Ajatavada means the doctrine of no-origination or non-creation.
- According to Gaudapada there is no creation and delusion. The supreme truth is not subject to creation, transformation and delusion. This is also called paramartha sathya.
Quoting some verse from Gaudapada Karika on Mandukya Upanishad:
2-32 There is neither dissolution nor creation, none in bondage and none practicing disciplines. There is none seeking Liberation and none liberated. This is the absolute truth.
3-2 Therefore I shall now describe Brahman, which is unborn, the same throughout and free from narrowness. From this one can understand that Brahman does not in reality pass into birth even in the slightest degree, though it appears to be manifest everywhere.
3-15 The scriptural statements regarding the creation, using the examples of earth, iron and sparks, are for the purpose of clarifying the mind. Multiplicity does not really exist in any manner.
3-26 On account of the incomprehensible nature of Atman, the scriptural passage "Not this, not this" negates all dualistic ideas attributed to Atman. Therefore the birthless Atman alone exists.
3-36 Brahman is birthless, sleepless, dreamless, nameless and formless. It is ever effulgent and omniscient. No duty, in any sense, can ever be associated with It.
3-48 No jiva ever comes into existence. There exists no cause that can produce it. The supreme truth is that nothing ever is born.
4-15 Those who say that the effect is the cause of the cause and that the cause is the cause of the effect maintain, actually, that the creation takes place after the manner of the birth of father from son.
4-22 Nothing whatsoever is born, either of itself or of another entity. Nothing is ever produced, whether it be being or non—being or both being and non—being.
4-28 Therefore neither the mind nor the objects perceived by the mind are ever born. To see their birth is like seeing the footprints of birds in the sky.
4-30-31 If, as the dualists contend, the world is beginningless, then it cannot be non—eternal. Moksha (Liberation) cannot have a beginning and be eternal. If a thing is non—existent in the beginning and in the end, it is necessarily non—existent in the present.
4-58 Birth is ascribed to the jivas; but such birth is not possible from the standpoint of Reality. Their birth is like that of an illusory object. That illusion, again, does not exist.
4-71 No jiva ever comes into existence. There exists no cause that can produce it. The supreme truth is that nothing ever is born.
Even reading today’s verse is an impossible happening/ endeavor. Hence, author shall try, with Sai’s grace, to explain the essence of the above verses in the next and perhaps the concluding post on the theme “Creation of Universe”.
AJATA VADA- NON ORIGINATION (OF CREATION) CONTD…
We did go through few verses related to this doctrine. Author is sure; all those verses would have gone above our head!! He can understand this because, when he first read these verses in 2010, it was good to know intellectually but difficult to experience!!
We will take one verse and try and understand (Only with Sai / God’s grace) the essence, if possible and if we are destined to understand today.
There is neither dissolution nor creation, none in bondage and none practicing disciplines. There is none seeking Liberation and none liberated. This is the absolute truth (verse 32, Mandukya Karika)
All along the purpose of human birth posts, surrender posts, karma posts, creation posts, up to the latest posts on moving from being to becoming (from brahma sathyam jagath mithyato sarvam khaluvidam brahma), even as per the retracing from microcosm to macrocosm, retracing from animal man to God man, retracing from body, mind upto Purusha and then to Purshottama, we have learnt that the spiritual journey is starting from where we are and ultimately reaching God, merging with the God (to go and sit on the pure canvass, never to see our drawing and the world’s drawing).
It is expected that all readers who have followed all posts till now are beyond any doubt that when we reach and merge with the Lord, THERE CAN BE NO CREATION, CREATOR, CREATED existing for us!! The Jiva who can recognize the creation and yet not be affected by the same, has merged with Brahman / God!!
Now, we have to understand the essence of Sri Gaudapada’s teachings and the platform from where He roars.
Simple. As far as this sage is concerned, there is no beginning, no journey, no end, no bondage, no sadhana, no liberation, no perceiving the creation, developing dispassion for creation and then ultimately transcending the creation.
He says - EXIST AS THE VERY ESSENCE, PURUSHA, WITHOUT A BEGINNING. THERE IS NO CREATION!!
Thus, to the question on How God can will to create, Gaudapada slaps the one who puts up the question gently and says, (as though), “Exist as the one who / that is beginning less, endless, alone, windless, with no time, no space, no cosmic vibration then dare to ask this question, if you can!”
Why start the journey in this life with sense of incompletion, take up the spiritual path, undergo cleansing process, transcend ego, avidya and at the end, come to realize that you and That (God / Purushottama) are same, non dual??
Realize that you are eternally non dual, the same eternal, supreme consciousness!! Then, can there be creation for you? Can there be avidya? Can there be 5 kleshas? Can there be vasanas? Can there be karmas? Is there a need for a Guru?? Is a sishya in you there? Is anyone bound?? To get liberated??
These are Gaudapada’s questions which are answers by themselves to the questions put up!!
We read in a post “we create our universe like God creates”. Gaudapada says, “be in samadhi, never will you create your universe, nor will you recognize that there is creation”!!
Some of the lines given above are not exactly karika verses, but the Truth which is impossible to know and experience, given by Gaudapada, has been explained by the author is most simple manner, otherwise, the Truth that THE CREATION NEVER CAME INTO BEING, is impossible to be even read, leave alone digesting the same!
Hari Aum Tatsat.
